tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post150710531532315491..comments2023-05-17T11:11:49.959+01:00Comments on The Lone Groover: ~This Is England...Just Don't Tell Anyone~The Lone Grooverhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01783635784867051466noreply@blogger.comBlogger79125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-9207452866962642152009-03-24T20:17:00.000+00:002009-03-24T20:17:00.000+00:00The White Dragon that was killed by the Holy Hand ...The White Dragon that was killed by the Holy Hand Grenade of Jesus' leftovers from the Last Supper.Chiaroscurohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06788419217173519038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-88885838569406520702009-03-23T17:12:00.000+00:002009-03-23T17:12:00.000+00:00Lou, with the right amount of alcohol, that rabbit...Lou, with the right amount of alcohol, that rabbit could've EASILY been St. George's dragon.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01544216856514863432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-80527125449132009182009-03-21T13:57:00.000+00:002009-03-21T13:57:00.000+00:00Dang - that's quite a long discussion here. I have...Dang - that's quite a long discussion here. I have no knowledge of anything that goes on over there besides what I read or hear in the already tainted news media.<BR/>Just wanted to add nothing to the conversation, actually, but - that was an interesting song and video!BenBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09010864129122224612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-39564424414688701312009-03-21T00:47:00.000+00:002009-03-21T00:47:00.000+00:00Steve do you mean like the killer rabbit out of Ho...Steve do you mean like the killer rabbit out of Holy Grail? That was scary and could easily become a dragon in the re-telling.Louhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14519427492100090401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-53769942171805512912009-03-20T02:13:00.000+00:002009-03-20T02:13:00.000+00:00Don't change the subject, Wiz!Don't change the subject, Wiz!Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01544216856514863432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-18881925715996929462009-03-19T23:58:00.000+00:002009-03-19T23:58:00.000+00:00Hey you :) How are you? *hugs*Hey you :) How are you? *hugs*Wizardresshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09658436464751458420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-18402421870679545042009-03-19T16:09:00.000+00:002009-03-19T16:09:00.000+00:00clearly we're not about to change each other's opi...clearly we're not about to change each other's opinion on this, so you have a point on leaving it there... i guess peacefully agreeing to disagree is one part of english culture that's a definite bonusDickingtonbar IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16290988708365186769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-53845793214827263162009-03-19T13:19:00.000+00:002009-03-19T13:19:00.000+00:00Groover, EXACTLY! In my opinion, a large chunk of...Groover, EXACTLY! In my opinion, a large chunk of the Bible is a Fish Story. Jesus walking on water? They forgot to mention that he knew where the stones were. The walls of Jericho falling down? Well, while the one jackass was walking around blowing the horn and distracting the invaders, a few Jews snuck in the back way and sacked the place. Jesus healing the blind man? They forgot to mention the guy was just suffering from a bad case of eye boogies (he had just woken up), and Jesus just wiped them off. <BR/><BR/>Now, St. George's "dragon" MIGHT have been a crocodile on the Nile River, but when you're from England, killing ANY large reptile when you see so few of them can easily get embellished.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01544216856514863432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-18254159777472957842009-03-19T12:55:00.000+00:002009-03-19T12:55:00.000+00:00Dickingtonbar II, or 'The Accidental Englishman':I...Dickingtonbar II, or 'The Accidental Englishman':<BR/><BR/>I think we'd better leave this there, don't you?The Lone Grooverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01783635784867051466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-83171701955597134082009-03-19T12:52:00.000+00:002009-03-19T12:52:00.000+00:00Steve:Taking the 'fishing tale' one step further.....Steve:<BR/><BR/>Taking the 'fishing tale' one step further...LOL!!The Lone Grooverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01783635784867051466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-18652082812249924572009-03-19T10:16:00.000+00:002009-03-19T10:16:00.000+00:00i think respect is the wrong word for that... i'll...i think respect is the wrong word for that... i'll always give up my seat to someone elderly or someone female, especially someone pregnant, someone with young kids... but it's not down to respect; their need is just greater than mine<BR/><BR/>and i respect culture of all kinds but i think the days of dividing that culture down national lines are thankfully gone... or going... apart from the odd backwaters clearly... and certainly 'pride' is very much the wrong word for it<BR/><BR/>having seen and lived in several different cultures, it makes me appreciate others, while still i appreciate parts of english culture... i despise other parts of it and i certainly would never have 'pride' in it<BR/><BR/>as for the selfish bit... hey man... you're the one who's self employed... i assume you're not part of the council... i know you're not police or services so apart from a lot of hot air and chest beating, i don't really see much in the way of service to english society credentialsDickingtonbar IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16290988708365186769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-85573494242715150112009-03-19T03:53:00.000+00:002009-03-19T03:53:00.000+00:00All those stories are embellishment. He probably ...All those stories are embellishment. He probably stepped on a harmless snake, and told his buddies it was an enormous dragon.<BR/><BR/>But don't worry, you think the English will be disappointed? Just look at Georgia, they named their friggin' COUNTRY after St. George. They'll probably rename the place after their most famous native son.....Stalinland.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01544216856514863432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-7393522164584479802009-03-18T22:41:00.000+00:002009-03-18T22:41:00.000+00:00Steve:Awwwww...you mean that he didn't REALLY slay...Steve:<BR/><BR/>Awwwww...you mean that he didn't REALLY slay a dragon?The Lone Grooverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01783635784867051466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-88682294740878173472009-03-18T22:39:00.000+00:002009-03-18T22:39:00.000+00:00Dickingbar II:"respect your elders? listen, i'll r...Dickingbar II:<BR/><BR/><I>"respect your elders? listen, i'll respect my parents because i have kids and i know what they did for me and i know now how they love me but respect someone just cause they're older than me?"</I><BR/><BR/>You mean you're one of those people who won't give his seat up on the bus/train for a pensioner? If you DO give up your seat, that's respecting your elders.<BR/><BR/>I know plenty of Indians who don't want an arranged marriage, but they still have a damn sight more repect for their culture than you seem to have for yours.<BR/><BR/>All I can see from your comments is that everything seems to depend on what you, personally get out of it. If there's nothing in it for you, then screw it.<BR/><BR/>Thatcherism has much to answer for.....The Lone Grooverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01783635784867051466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-64844845634163603852009-03-18T15:44:00.000+00:002009-03-18T15:44:00.000+00:00Now now, St. George did indeed exist, there is his...Now now, St. George did indeed exist, there is historical proof of his existence. It's the slaying of the dragon part that is mythical. In reality, it was probably just a rabid badger, or a rabbit, perhaps one with nasty, sharp pointed teeth.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01544216856514863432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-21293972482348191512009-03-18T14:30:00.000+00:002009-03-18T14:30:00.000+00:00the asians here are so successful because they've ...the asians here are so successful because they've given up everything they have at home, they have one shot to make it and so they get on with it... the indian chap i sit next to, who's parents moved here just after he was born couldn't give a f'ck about his roots... he doesn't want an aranged marriage that his parents are trying to organise and won't have it... he hates indian weddings and most of it's culture, he loves his parents but he doesn't 'respect' them per say.... his dad owns a corner store and works all the hours there are... the kid is doing better... just one example i know.<BR/>respect your elders? listen, i'll respect my parents because i have kids and i know what they did for me and i know now how they love me but respect someone just cause they're older than me? you live in some kind of victorian dreamworld.<BR/>before this country bent over backwards for immigrants, it bent over backwards for the poor... the welfare state created a class of people who could survive without working... a mate of mine got laid off recently, signed on... went to the job centre to talk about getting a job to tide him over and got told it wasn't worth going to work in a bar or cafe type thing because he'd lose his benfits... marvellous. it's people like that that we are paying... people like that and people like this: http://www.housingoptions.co.uk/ho2/ho2/about.asp<BR/><BR/>and this is why immigrants came, because we needed them and they are successful... because when they came, they did the jobs the farkin slackers couldn't be a'sed to do<BR/><BR/>as for figureheads... i'm sorry but i don't need one to motivate me... if someone works for me, i'll work for them... i'll work for someone until i realise they're not working for me... <BR/><BR/>i think poor schools, working mums, single parent families and the genral breakdown of the family unit has a lot more to do with where this country is now than a lack of national identity... and that is in no way meant as a dig at you... i know you're a solid dad and you've turned out a nice daughter as many single parents can do but you'd have to admit it's a hell of a lot easier to raise kids in a family where mum or dad doesn't have to work... that always used to be the norm.Dickingtonbar IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16290988708365186769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-47807678090166010052009-03-18T13:53:00.000+00:002009-03-18T13:53:00.000+00:00Dickintonbar II:"ambivalent because it has nothing...Dickintonbar II:<BR/><BR/><I>"ambivalent because it has nothing to do with me"</I><BR/><BR/>It is that ambivalence that is the problem, can't you see that?<BR/><BR/>Frankly, I'm staggered that someone can be so flippantly dismissive of their own history and culture.<BR/><BR/>Ever wondered why the Asians here in the UK are so successful? It's because they respect their roots, their culture, their elders and their family. <BR/><BR/>Ever wondered why so many of the English are so morally and culturally bankrupt? It's because of the lack of any respect for any of the above. <BR/><BR/>So what if St George didn't exist? That's not the point.<BR/><BR/>Does God exist? Does the Prophet Mohammed exist?<BR/><BR/>They are fugureheads to gel people into working together. Is that such a bad thing?The Lone Grooverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01783635784867051466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-50664599185884141142009-03-18T13:37:00.000+00:002009-03-18T13:37:00.000+00:00they're living away from their homelands, that's w...they're living away from their homelands, that's why it's ok for them to make such a fuss about it; maybe you should move to spain and celebrate st george's day there<BR/>"I love where i live, i do all i can to make it better, which includes paying a fucking shit load of tax, council tax, VAT, inheritance tax... "... what you don't understand about that phrase i don't know, so i'll repeat it... the 'which includes' part is clearly what you missed...<BR/>join the army... become a community policeman... run for the local council and eventually become an MP... do something about the apathy... do something about the lack of st georges day parades... have you written to your MP about it? it's dead easy to do, there's always a website for your local MP; it's your duty really as a voter to do so... my MP gets a note at least once a month from me either moaning or praising some aspect of my local community life<BR/>i'm not ashamed of being english... it's just a fact... i am english... i'm not ashamed of our past, i'm not proud of it... i'm ambivalent because it has nothing to do with me.<BR/>i totally agree with you that there aren't many places in the world as welcoming to foreigners as england, if any but i couldn't give a toss about walking down the street with a red cross on a white background... st george didn't even exist... we're here, we live here, we pay handsomely for it;<BR/>i also agree we're lucky to live here rather than a lot of countries but it's luck... we could have been born in worse places, we could also have been born in better placesDickingtonbar IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16290988708365186769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-44118553685210561782009-03-18T11:51:00.000+00:002009-03-18T11:51:00.000+00:00Dickingtonbar II:The lamentable situation?Ok.....I...Dickingtonbar II:<BR/><BR/>The lamentable situation?<BR/><BR/>Ok.....<BR/><BR/>It's perfectly acceptable (and why shouldn't it be) for the Irish to parade through Birmingham in celebration of their Irishness.<BR/><BR/>It's pefectly acceptable (again, why should it be) for the Sikh and Muslim community to parade through the streets of Birmingham in celebration of their respective religions.<BR/><BR/>It's perfectly acceptable (see above) for the Afro-Carribean community to parade through the streets of Birmingham in celebration of their culture.<BR/><BR/>It's perfectly acceptable (again, see above) for the Chinese community to parade through the streets of Birmingham to celebrate their New Year.<BR/><BR/>Yet our local authority deems in 'inapropriate' for the St Georges Day parade to go ahead.<BR/><BR/>Can you tell me one good reason for that?<BR/><BR/>The only one that I can think of is that we've been made to feel ashamed of our own culture, history and heritage by decades of misguided PC nonsense.<BR/><BR/>No other people on the planet have been as welcoming and accepting of other cultures than the English, yet we have it thrown at us time and time and time again that we are all 'racists' (whether we know it or not) and that our institutions are just as 'racist' as we are.<BR/><BR/>It's happened is because we've allowed it to. Or, to be more precise, people with attitudes like the one you appear to have have allowed it to happen.<BR/><BR/>I find the apathy and 'couldn't care less' attitude both disturbing and extremely sad. You've written on several occasions that you think our country is screwed. <BR/><BR/>Yes it it, but not for the reasons that you think it is. <BR/><BR/>There's more to making a contribution to your society and culture than simply paying your taxes.The Lone Grooverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01783635784867051466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-8833714043187952742009-03-18T08:16:00.000+00:002009-03-18T08:16:00.000+00:00i'm interested as to why you're so het up about my...i'm interested as to why you're so het up about my stance on thisDickingtonbar IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16290988708365186769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-79651990174925166442009-03-18T08:00:00.000+00:002009-03-18T08:00:00.000+00:00what's the lamentable situation Groover?nothing's ...what's the lamentable situation Groover?<BR/>nothing's to stop you going out and waving your George Cross if it makes you feel good... go fill your boots...<BR/>Paddies day is huge, as is 4th July... we've all agreed... would you argue the situation is better in Ireland and the USA than here in England?<BR/>I love where i live, i do all i can to make it better, which includes paying a fucking shit load of tax, council tax, VAT, inheritance tax... all i'm saying is that the concept of pride in one's nation is something that i just can't grab.Dickingtonbar IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16290988708365186769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-74598892304056099842009-03-17T20:53:00.000+00:002009-03-17T20:53:00.000+00:00I think being proud of being born in a particular ...I think being proud of being born in a particular country is a very strange concept indeed. One tends to swell with pride over something they have worked to achieve, such as becoming an Olympic Level athlete, raising a child that has become independent and successful on their own terms, being able to fix cars, etc. Being proud of something you had no control over is kind of a weird concept to me.<BR/><BR/>I think you should be able to enjoy being English and to have great respect for the accomplishments of your country, but taking pride in something you never had any hand in is a very strange concept indeed.<BR/><BR/>Anyways, semantics aside I think you should be able to celebrate your country ESPECIALLY if you are living in it! I choose not to celebrate the fourth of July in a patriotic sense but I am glad we have the day to take off, sit on a boat and watch fireworks. Now the Americans have done some pretty oppressive things and we are still allowed to celebrate this day, but then again we are celebrating our emancipation from the "evil British empire" (but in reality I think we were being kind of whiny and petty). Anyways, rant over now.Chiaroscurohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06788419217173519038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-77866767321461764892009-03-17T18:16:00.000+00:002009-03-17T18:16:00.000+00:00Groover, I spent a lot of time trying to say the e...Groover, I spent a lot of time trying to say the exact thing you said in one sentence.<BR/><BR/>See, that's an example of Englishness. You guys are pretty friggin' literary, you know? You should be proud of that trait.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, that's the exact point I'm trying to make. I've traveled all over North America, and been to Germany. I have relatives (those that stayed behind in the Old World) in Benfleet (Essex) and Hanau (Hessen) Germany, so I have an appreciation of other cultures, nationalities, etc. I am thankful I was born in a country with modern medicine, transportation, etc (despite the flaws, of course), and proud of the contributions the US has made to this world (and embarrassed by its flaws at the same time).<BR/><BR/>And no, I don't hate any other countries. Well, except maybe Italy in the World Cup. I'm no Nationalist. I'm proud of the accomplishments of my country, and ashamed of its failures, and I try to teach my children to use their heads so that someday, they can further the accomplishments of the US.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01544216856514863432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-46284415376061302632009-03-17T15:06:00.000+00:002009-03-17T15:06:00.000+00:00Dickingtonbar II:It people with precisely your att...Dickingtonbar II:<BR/><BR/>It people with precisely your attitude who've brought us to the lamentable situation that we're in now.<BR/><BR/>Then again, we don't have a heritage to preserve, do we?The Lone Grooverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01783635784867051466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5046966523774281274.post-47799084745094922872009-03-17T15:03:00.000+00:002009-03-17T15:03:00.000+00:00Steve:I read a quote one, I can't remember who sai...Steve:<BR/><BR/>I read a quote one, I can't remember who said it, but it went thus:<BR/><BR/><I>"A patriot loves his country, a nationalist hates everyone else's"</I>The Lone Grooverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01783635784867051466noreply@blogger.com